Prabhupad: Preacher Of Raganuga Bhakti

Transcribed by Ujjvala sakha das

The following is a class on the Srimad Bhagavatam 1st canto 2nd chapter text number 8 given by his divine grace AC BhaktiVedanta Swami Prabhupad recorded on the sixth of September 1972 in New Vrindavan, West Virginia:

Om namo bhagavate Vasudevaya Pradyumna Prabhu does the Sanskrit iteration.

Prabhupad says: "That's all, so dharmah svanusthitah pumsa, in the human society there is always some kinds of religious institution; that is called Dharma faith.

“ if you are going on as a ethnic program to the church to the temple to the math but there's no spontaneous attraction for hearing about god then it is simply labor simply a waste of time...”

Real dharma means that I have already explained occupational duty, constitutional duty that is called dharma functional duty. So, real dharma, real religion is to become servant of or to render service to god that is real religion, but we have manufactured so many religions, different society, different circumstances, different country; therefore it is advised here that you may execute any kind of religious faith, but the result should be perfect. You can say "I'm very perfectly executing the ritualistic ceremonies and the tenors described in my scripture bible, or Veda, or Koran that's very good, but what is the result?

The result is that you must develop or increase your tendency to hear about god, but if you are ultimate truth is impersonal; mostly they consider "god has no form" then if god has no form then what will you hear about him simply formless formless. How long you can go on like this god is form less if god is form less then your idea of hearing about him is finished, because formless there is nothing- activities, but actually god is not formless.

Several times I have explained gods has got his form he's person he has got his activities; therefore in the Bhagavad gita it is said "Janma Karma ajyopisum abi atma ----opisam" although he is aja nobody has to die aja. Aja means birth nobody takes birth either the living entity or god na jayate na mriyate. In the Bhagavd gita it is said that the living entity is, we are all living entity, is na jayate they donot take birth neither do they die "na jayate na mriyate va kada cit" at any time then what is this death and birth? The death and birth is simply change of the body the subtle body and the gross body just like every night you die, the gross body remains inactive on the bed and the subtle body takes me away I dream, I go in the dream land, I go to some friend, I'm talking to some body, I'm working in a different way that is our daily experience.

This means that we have got two kinds of body one body is this gross body and the other body is subtle body. Made of mind intelligence and ego, so foolish persons they don?t see the subtle body, but the subtle body is there every one will accept "I'm working with my mind intelligence and ego" everyone knows. So, although we cannot see the subtle body it is there so death means this gross body this over coat is left I'm carried away by the subtle body and I enter into another body or gross body so practically this is called death cause we have no vision of the subtle body how the soul is being transferred, transmigrating from one gross body to another gross body. Keeping the subtle body intact and the subtle body is given up when one is liberated and at that time he goes when he's liberated free from the subtle body.

Also at that time he's promoted to the spiritual kingdom in spiritual body; therefore while living in this grossbody we have to educate our subtle body in such a way that it becomes spiritualized. Completely the subtle body is mind intelligence and ego, so if you think of Krishna in the mind always and if we work intelligently for Krishna that is mind and intelligence and if we change our false ego, ego means I am so I am at the present moment thinking "I'm American I'm Indian I'm white I'm black like that I'm human being I'm animal cat or dog" so many things I am this I am has to be changed; I am eternal servant of Krishna. In this way if you educate or transfer the activities of the subtle body mind intelligence and ego then at the time of death you will give up the subtle body the material subtle body mind, intelligence, and ego and by your spiritual body you will go back to home back to godhead.

This is called Krishna Consciousness movement! Gross body automatically we give up now we should practice to give up this subtle body. To give up this subtle body one has to develop love for god, prema and the process is how to give up this subtle body adau sraddha first of all sraddha. Sraddha means a faith or some respect actually it means respect just like you have come here out of faith and respect. You hear their talking about god, "there is temple of god let us go there" this is faith and respect adau sraddha this is the beginning.

Now, after coming here when you hear about god, because our only business is: you don't talk here politics or sociology or anything that comes automatically as subordinate things. But, our business is to talk about god so those who talk about god they are called saintly persons.

There are two kinds of man in this world materialistic person and transcendentalist or man interested in spiritualism, so those who are interested in spiritual life they talk of self realization and those who are materialistic person they also talk, they talk about this body how to keep this body nicely. Their are politics, sociology, welfare activities, so many things all concerning to the body. So, there are many talks just like in the news paper in your country especially bunch of news paper, so many talks advertisement fashion this news that news full of, so the materialistic person they read the newspaper, but we read srimad bhagavata that is the difference. We are also reading they are also reading so ninam santi sahasra so tab byani rajendra ninam sant sahasra sukadeva goswami said pariksit maharaj my dear king: there are many hundreds and thousands of topics for the materialistic person, sahasra sahasrah means thousands and that is fact.

So many novels, so many fictions, so many so called philosophy, news paper, cinema paper, this paper that papaer. So many sahasra so tab byani rajendra ninam santi sahasratah apasyatam-atma tattvam grihesu griha-medhinam apasyatam-atma tattvam, because they donot know they have no information of the soul. Their talking about this body or some times about this mind philosophical speculation, concoction one philosophy is theorizing something another philosopher is theorizing something.

Lots of literature all nonsense because it is mental speculation. "I speculate in one way you speculate in another way you refute me I refute you". So therefore, these talks of the body and talks of the mind there are varieties ninam sant sahasra apasyatam atma tattvam why they are engaged in so many talks because they donot know apsyatam they have no vision of the soul. atma tattva grihesu griha medhi na grihamedhi those interested simply to maintain this body they are called griha medhi, generally. Athiest class they have no interseest in god. The athiest class long long ago thousands of years ago there was athiest. Also because, there are two classes of men always within this world, athiest and thiest asur and deva devata.

Not, that athiest class men had developed at the present moment it maybe the number has increased but athiest class of man was long ago. There was also charva muni he was also called muni, muni means mental speculator or thoughtful. So this charvat muni he also presented his philosophy atheism reenam kritva kritam pravet javed jive sukham jivet- "so long you live you live very joyfully by enjoying your senses" this is atheistic principle and in India the sense enjoyment principle is based on ghee clarified butter; because if they get they prepare so many nice preperations you have also learned how to do it, but in India there are varieties people. Sometimes go to India in Delhi there are shops many varieties of food stuffs all from grains and fruits that?s all grains fruits ghee sugar and salt varieties hundreds, so eating, sleeping the basic principle is eating sleeping, mating. So, charvar muni says that live very joyfully and eat very nicely enjoy your senses finish your life that is atheism apasyatam atma they have no vision there is soul. The soul is transmigrating there are 8,400,000 species of body and you are transmigrating one to another in this way. They don?t care for it, even if he's informed that if you are acting like this you are going to be a tree next life "o it doesn't matter let me enjoy"

They say frankly "if I become tree what is the harm I shall forget". People have become so rubbish they have lost their self-interest. Just like if you say to a child that you are always playing, you are not going to school, you are not becoming educated, you will suffer in your future, you will have no position in this society, but he will say I don?t care. He may say that, but the risk is there. Similarly, the modern human being you inform him about the transmigration of the soul and by his activities he supposed to become next life very low grade animal: aquatics, reptiles.

So, if they?re informed they don?t care that is not very good intelligence. This is a fact! Just like in my this life I can experience each stage of my life, I have my passed present and future you are all young boys you had your passed as a child as boy now your young and your future is also there as old as I have become old. So, in any stage of life there is past present and future, so why not I'm old man and when I should die why is there no future, there must be future. I had my past and I'm at present and there must be future also the future is that I must get another body that maybe of animal, or trees, or demigod or god. That is stated in the bhagavad gita janti deva britha devam prithin janti prithah you can prepare yourself for the next body. So, ultimate goal is to get a body in the kingdom of god that is san siddhim paramapita that is highest perfection. You can get a body next as a human being in rich man's family, or as a king, or as a leader, or as a cat, as a dog, as a tree that will depend on your work; similarly, you can get your next body as associates of god that is stated that you can have mad jyaji mopi nad those who are my devotees they come to me Krishna says, and what is the benefit of going to Krishna mam upeta kaunteya dukalayam asa sitam na pabanti if somebody comes to me then he does not get anymore this material body.

To come to this material world what is the harm if I come to the material world dukalayam susatriyam this material world is full of miseries and that also temporary even if I accept that I shall adjust my miserable condition of life, but still nature will not allow you to live there. You may think that we are Americans we have got enough money vast land resources I shall live as American, you can live as Americans for lets say fifty years, you will not be aloud to live as American or as Indian, this or that even as Brahma you will not be allowed. Brahma has got his one day millions of years he will also not be allowed, the ant will not be allowed, the cat will not be allowed, an ant will not be allowed, the man will not be allowed the demi god will not be allowed, to live forever. Hyranya kasipu tried to live forever he underwent sever penances to become immortal, it was not possible of course the lunatic scientists says that by scientific advancement we shall become immortal they are lunatic. It is not possible because in the passed there is no such incidents, so in the presence there is no such incidence, so how can you expect in the future such incidents? That is not possible, therefore; intelligent person they should try to get ultimate transmigration ultimate transmigration, means go back home back to godhead that should be the actual aim of life. That is first class intelligent, but they donot know; therefore we are trying to render our humble service to the human society to give this information. That you are trying for so many things for becoming happy but instead of being happy you are becoming hippie, so please take this Krishna consciousness and actually you will be happy that is our mission that is our mission.

Therefore, the bhagavata says the civilized human being(those who got some religious principle)church religious institution " that you're executing your religious principle very nicely that's alright, but if you do not develop the propensity for hearing about god, just like we have got this temple we are worshipping Radha Krishna deity it's alright, but side by side we MUST develop to hear about Krishna. Otherwise, it will be finished after a few days sravanam, kirtanam, as soon as there will be no interests for hearing about god all these churches and temples and mosks will be finished.

In the Christian world that is happening, not only Christian in other also. They are selling churches nobody is going to church because simply officially going on Sunday without any enlightenment, without any understanding about god.

How long will it be prolonged? It cannot be prolonged people will be disinterested and they will not go. Actually, it is happening there are so many churches nobody is going.

In London I have seen in your country also there are so many churches vacant, we have purchased so many churches. Los Angeles we have purchased that church, when it was running as church it was deserted since we have taken that, every night, every day hundreds of people are gathering like this because there are words of Krishna and people are hearing about Krishna visaksena katha sriya so you can have your churches Temple or Mosque, but if you donot develop your tendency to hear about god then it will not be successful.

sravamayih kevalam dharmasan sritam pumsan dharma visvaksena katha sriya (sorry if the sanskrit incomplete it was uttered so rapidly)by going daily to the temple or to the church or to the mosque or anywhere any religious building or institution if you DO NOT DEVOLOP your propensity to hear about god then you have wasted your time.

Going and coming it is simply labor so that is the test; therefore either in temple, or in church, or mosque there must be regular recitation on the talks of god, otherwise people will lose interest and the temples and churches have to be closed.

So, that talks of god is here in Krishna consciousness, because our god is not impersonal void no he's the supreme person Krishna you can see personally how he's standing, how he's enjoying with his eternal consort lover Srimati Radharani here is god actually god is not engaged in punishing somebody.

Original god is engaged in enjoying with his eternal consort Srimati Radharani, Srimati Radharani is enchanting Krishna and Krishna is enchanting Radharani this is the buisness of god.

due lage ua hari in the Caitanya Caritamrta it is said that when Krishna comes before Radharani she becomes so much engladened by seeing the beauty of Krishna that she becomes more beautiful and as soon as Radharani becomes more beautiful Krishna becomes enchanted and he becomes more beautiful, so unlimitedly there is competition of becoming more beautiful. du he lage hurai that is this statement competition because in the spiritual world everything is unlimited so unlimitedly both of them are becoming beautiful and both of them are enjoying unlimitedly this is Krishna conscious. So, similarly if we develop our propensity to hear about god and his activities with his cow heard boy friend with his girl friends the gopis with his mother with his father with his teacher so many. Every thing is imitation perverted reflection here. Also we have got those relationships, relationships between father and son relationships between conjugal lovers the boy and the girl, relationships between friend and friend, relationships between master and servant everything is here also.

But, because they are material they donot stand "I'm servant of somebody if he does not pay me salary I give up his service I'm friend of somebody if my intention is not fulfilled then I give up that friendship my love with a boy or girl is there but as soon as discrepancy there is divorce" so here everything is perverted so many faulty ideas, but this very thing is there in the kingdom of god. In relationship with god Krishna and there everything is eternal by becoming servant of god you eternally enjoy him as master, by becoming a friend of god, you enjoy eternal friendship, by becoming father or mother of god you enjoy the parental affection between father and son, and by becoming lover of god you become eternally happy. So, unless you hear about these things then how you can be intensified to go to god? Just like when I hear about something some country this country is like this, such and such happiness and such and such enjoyment, then we think of making a tourist lease to go there; therefore to go back to home back to godhead unless we hear about him how you can be inclined; therefore god comes Krishna comes he manifests his pastimes in Vrindavan.

How he's dealing with friends servants mother father lover so that we maybe inclined to go back to home back to godhead this is gods mercy; therefore executing religious principles means the result must be to develop our propensity to hear about god not parye da gatim this rati rati means just like rati is called sexual appetite. The goswamis they have described rati how rati is explained jugatana jatah juno just like young boy and young girl they meet together immediately their sex impulse becomes agitated it hasn't got to be taught to them naturally if he want to talk or she wants to talk so this is called rati spontaneous attraction this is called. It has not to be taught spontaneous, so as soon as there is spontaneous attraction to hear about god. That means that you're attaining perfection in religion so if you are going on as a ethnic program to the church to the temple to the math but there's no spontaneous attraction for hearing about god then it is simply labor simply a waste of time, that's all. That is explained here: 1.2.8 so to come this platform of spontaneous attraction you have to execute some other formulas. Was, is that that as you are coming here with some faith or respect here is a temple you should come regularly why adau sraddha tato sadhu sanga if you come regularly then these boys and girls who are engaged in the worship of Krishna or who are developing the life of devotee practicing under the direction of a spiritual master they are called sadhu.

Sadhu means those who are acting very pious. So, those who are acting for Krishna they are automatically pious because god is pure and those who are acting for god they are pious. Each and every activity in this temple are pious activity; therefore they are pious adau sraddh tato sadhu sanga and as soon as you associate with the pious devotees naturally there will be inclination to act like them why not act like them.

Actually, that is happening they are dressing like this, they are keeping there body like this, they are chanting Hare Krishna Mantra, in the back they are worshipping, they are reading why not become like them? So, adau sraddha first with respectful tendency to come in the center then to make association with them and the next stage is to become like them then he approaches the spiritual master "kindly initiate me" bhajana kriya and as soon as you take to this bhajana kriya to devotional service anartha nvriti syat anartha some unwanted things which you have practiced what is that illicit sex, or if you want sex why don?t you marry and live respectfully, husband and wife. Why illicit sex? This is unwanted, but you are practicing, but if you become devotee you can give up this nonsense practice illicit sex, meateating. Why meat eating? We have got so many nice preparations sandesh, rasagual, hallavah puri, ruci why shall I eat these nasty things rotten it is slaughtered and kept for three thousand years in the refrigerator (devotees laugh) and that rotten thing is taken and eaten. So, why should we take that? Why smoking this nonsense? It is stated in every cigarette box it is injurious to health or something like that was is that warning? But, still they are eating that poison they are drinking so these are anarthas unwanted, things by bad association we are a habituated to this nonsense practice but, if you become devotee and render service to Krishna under the direction of your spiritual master these things will automatically vanquish anartha nvrirti syat tato nistha then your faith becomes firm tato nistha tato ruci tata asakti, asakti spontaneous attraction.

Religious principle means you have to execute the preliminary formulas, but the ultimate end will be you will have spontaneous attraction for hearing about god or Krishna that is wanted. If that thing is not done then you're simply wasting time by going to church or temple or mosque or any nonsense nas ravhe navahi kevaklla 1-2 simply waste of time. So, don't become a saw bottle of religious matters actually try to understand what is religion, what is god, and make your life successful.

Thank you very much.

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